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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2015, 09:53:06 AM »
z mojim razmišljanjem bi me verjetno zažgali na grmadi, saj vem ;)
ampak ne morem si pomagati, moje razmišljanje je pač takšno :blank:

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2015, 09:56:17 AM »
Lepo je sedeti v fotelju, piti pivo in gledati kako napadamo (evropa,amerika, naša tako opevana "dobra"kulutra,naša tako opevana "dobra"zgodovina, naša tako opevana "dobra"vera) dežele (ljudi, člvoeška življenja, otroke, stare...) daleč stran od nas, kvazi, da jim pomagamo...ampak jih bombardiramo, izvajamo agresijo, prav malo me briga kvazi razlog, dejstvo je, da napadamo....
pa vsi smo na istem planetu, če gledaš malo širše, je to prav "smešno"...pač človek pobija človeka, in vsak na svoji strani najde milijon opravičil in razlogov zakaj to počne....NI OPRAVIČILA IN NI RAZLOGA ZA TAKŠNO POČETJE, NASILJE USTVARJA LAHKO SAMO NASILJE...
in spet najdemo milijon razlogov zakaj NE bi pomagali človeku...NI RAZLOGA ZAKAJ MU NE BI POMAGALI, ETIKA JE, DA SE ČLOVEKU POMAGA....
dokler bo takšno razmišljanje in takšna zavest človeka kot je že od pamti veka, do takrat bo na svetu prisotna napad in obramba, ne vem kaj je prej...
ampak bistvo je,da je najprej potrebno ustvariti problem, da imamo razlog se boriti ali braniti....

Teroristi ne poznajo te etike!
Mi jo lahko vsi, pa bodo vseeno pobijali.

kako bi imenovala nas (evropo,ameriko), ki prav tako pobija druge ljudi, narode?

Tisti, ki ne tolerirajo šeriatskega prava, ki pobija tiste, ki ga ne priznavajo.
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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2015, 10:01:37 AM »
Lepo je sedeti v fotelju, piti pivo in gledati kako napadamo (evropa,amerika, naša tako opevana "dobra"kulutra,naša tako opevana "dobra"zgodovina, naša tako opevana "dobra"vera) dežele (ljudi, člvoeška življenja, otroke, stare...) daleč stran od nas, kvazi, da jim pomagamo...ampak jih bombardiramo, izvajamo agresijo, prav malo me briga kvazi razlog, dejstvo je, da napadamo....
pa vsi smo na istem planetu, če gledaš malo širše, je to prav "smešno"...pač človek pobija človeka, in vsak na svoji strani najde milijon opravičil in razlogov zakaj to počne....NI OPRAVIČILA IN NI RAZLOGA ZA TAKŠNO POČETJE, NASILJE USTVARJA LAHKO SAMO NASILJE...
in spet najdemo milijon razlogov zakaj NE bi pomagali človeku...NI RAZLOGA ZAKAJ MU NE BI POMAGALI, ETIKA JE, DA SE ČLOVEKU POMAGA....
dokler bo takšno razmišljanje in takšna zavest človeka kot je že od pamti veka, do takrat bo na svetu prisotna napad in obramba, ne vem kaj je prej...
ampak bistvo je,da je najprej potrebno ustvariti problem, da imamo razlog se boriti ali braniti....

Teroristi ne poznajo te etike!
Mi jo lahko vsi, pa bodo vseeno pobijali.

kako bi imenovala nas (evropo,ameriko), ki prav tako pobija druge ljudi, narode?

Tisti, ki ne tolerirajo šeriatskega prava, ki pobija tiste, ki ga ne priznavajo.

in za to imamo pravico pobijati drugače misleče-ali msiliš da bomo s tem odpravili toleriranje šeriatskega prava??? NE, samo podžigali bomo njihovo prepričanje...ja, saj mi isto počnemo pobijamo tiste, ki ne priznavajo našega sistema vrednot. In kaj je naš sistem vrednot-POHLEP, imeti več in še več, prisiliti ljudi, da bodo vsi tako razmišljali...
a ne vidiš, da ni rešitev ne v enem načinu razmišljanja, ne v drugem...da ni dosti razlike, da sistem vrednot ni pravi tudi pri nas ne....
pri njih imajo zapisano, da lahko pobijajo nedolžne ljudi za svoje lastno prepričanje
kje pa imamo mi to zapisano, da to počnemo??? a ne počnemo isto?in katerih je več?
da ne bo pomote, ne ZAGOVARJAM nasilja in želim povedati, da je nasilje prisotno povsod, samo embalaža ali razlogi se navajajo drugačni, dejstvo pa je, da se NASILJE izvaja na obeh straneh.
Ko se človeku utrne želja, je vse stvarstvo usmerjeno k temu, da se ta želja izpolni.

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2015, 10:12:39 AM »
z mojim razmišljanjem bi me verjetno zažgali na grmadi, saj vem ;)
ampak ne morem si pomagati, moje razmišljanje je pač takšno :blank:

si ga deliva ;)
upam, da nas bo čim več takšnih...
ampak saj veš, 500 let so takšne kot smo mi na tem forumu tudi zažigali na grmadi, pa poglej koliko sto let je moralo preteči, da nas vsaj sežigajo ne več..
je pa vedno neka tema, ko si nezaželjen, moteč dejavnik, če razmišljaš drugače...
saj ne želim nikogar prepričevati, vsak ima pravico do svojega videnja in razmišljanja, samo res se ne morem vkalupiti in razmišljati kot večina, ker tega ni v meni.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2015, 10:16:24 AM by sanjalka »
Ko se človeku utrne želja, je vse stvarstvo usmerjeno k temu, da se ta želja izpolni.

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2015, 11:11:00 AM »
mogoče v moj in še čigav razmislek samo še tole:
je na tem planetu, kjer vlada dualnost, sploh možno imeti mir brez vojne?
ali je to le utopija?
je možno, da se bo planet zemlja transformiral in potem tukaj na tej zemljici naši ne bomo imeli več dualnosti,
priznam, ne znam si še predstavljati kako bi to sploh izgledalo?
Ko se človeku utrne želja, je vse stvarstvo usmerjeno k temu, da se ta želja izpolni.

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2015, 11:11:25 AM »
mogoče v moj in še čigav razmislek samo še tole:
je na tem planetu, kjer vlada dualnost, sploh možno imeti mir brez vojne?
ali je to le utopija?
je možno, da se bo planet zemlja transformiral in potem tukaj na tej zemljici naši ne bomo imeli več dualnosti,
priznam, ne znam si še predstavljati kako bi to sploh izgledalo?


omg, kakšna ura oddaje tegale mojega posta :o
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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2015, 11:59:20 AM »
Ne samo dualnost, ampak vsa raznovrstnost bo izginila, ko bo cel svet islamska država.  ;D

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2015, 06:32:15 PM »
Sanjalka, lepo si napisala. Čutim podobno.

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2015, 06:46:26 PM »
Sanjalka, lepo si napisala. Čutim podobno.

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2015, 10:07:06 AM »
You’re 29 years old with a wife, two children and a job. You have enough money, and can afford a few nice things, and you live in a small house in the city.
 Suddenly the political situation in your country changes and a few months later soldiers are gathered in front of your house. And in front of your neighbours’ houses.
 They say that if you don’t fight for them, they will shoot you.
 Your neighbour refuses.
 One shot. That’s it. You overhear one of the soldiers telling your wife to spread her legs.
 Somehow you get rid of the soldiers and spend the night deep in thought.
 Suddenly you hear an explosion. Your house no longer has a living room.
 You run outside and see that the whole street is destroyed.
 Nothing is left standing.
 You take your family back into the house, and then you run to your parents' house.
 It is no longer there. Nor are your parents.
 You look around and find an arm with your Mother’s ring on its finger. You can’t find any other sign of your parents.
 ~~~~~
 "But asylum seekers have so many luxury goods! Smartphones, and designer clothes!"
 ~~~~~
 You immediately forget it. You rush home, and tell your wife to get the children dressed. You grab a small bag, because anything bigger will be impossible to carry for a long time, and in it you pack essentials. Only 2 pieces of clothing each can fit in the bag.
 What do you take?
 You will probably never see your home country again.
 Not your family, not your neighbours, your workmates…
 But how can you stay in contact?
 You hastily throw your smartphone and the charger in the bag.
 Along with the few clothes, some bread and your small daughters favourite teddy.
 ~~~~~
 "They can easily afford to get away. They aren’t poor!"
 ~~~~~
 Because you could see the emergency coming, you have already scraped all your money together.
 You managed to save some money because of your well paid job.
 The kind people smuggler in the neighbourhood charges 5,000 euros per person.
 You have 15,000 euros. With a bit of luck, you’ll all be able to go. If not, you will have to let your wife go.
 You love her and pray that you the smugglers will take you all.
 By now you are totally wiped out and have nothing else. Just your family and the bag.
 The journey to the border takes two weeks on foot.
 You are hungry and for the last week have barely eaten. You are weak, as is your wife. But at least the children have enough.
 They have cried for the whole 2 weeks.
 Half the time you have to carry your younger daughter. She is only 21 months old.
 A further 2 weeks and you arrive at the sea.
 In the middle of the night you’re loaded onto a ship with other refugees.
 You are lucky: your whole family can travel.
 The ship is so full that it threatens to capsize. You pray that you don’t drown.
 The people around you are crying and screaming.
 A few small children have died of thirst.
 The smugglers throw them overboard.
 Your wife sits, vacantly, in a corner. She hasn’t had anything to drink for 2 days.
 When the coast is in sight, you are loaded onto small boats.
 Your wife and the younger child are on one, you and your older child are on another.
 You are warned to stay silent so that nobody knows you’re there.
 Your older daughter understands.
 But your younger one in the other boat doesn’t. She doesn’t stop crying.
 The other refugees are getting nervous. They demand that your wife keeps the child quiet.
 She doesn’t manage it.
 One of the men grabs your daughter, rips her away from your wife and throws her overboard.
 You jump in after her, but you can’t find her again.
 Never again.
 In 3 months she would have turned 2 years old.
 Isn’t that enough for you? They still have it too good here and have everything handed to them on a plate?
 You don’t know how you, your wife and your older daughter manage to get to the country that takes you in.
 It’s as though everything is all foggy. Your wife hasn’t spoken a word since your daughter died.
 Your older daughter hasn’t let go of her sister’s teddy and is totally apathetic.
 But you have to keep going. You are just about to arrive at the emergency accommodation.
 It is 10pm. A man whose language you don’t understand takes you to a hall with camp beds. There are 500 beds all very close together.
 In the hall it’s stuffy and loud.
 You try to get your bearings. To understand what the people there want from you.
 But in reality you can barely stand up. You nearly wish that they had shot you.
 Instead you unpack your meagre possessions:
 Two items of clothing each and your smartphone.
 Then you spend your first night in a safe country.
 The next morning you’re given some clothes.
 Among the donated clothes are even branded ‘label’ clothes. And a toy for your daughter.
 You are given 140 euros. For the whole month.
 ~~~~~
 "They’re safe here. Therefore they should be happy!"
 ~~~~~
 Outside in the yard, dressed in your new clothes, you hold your smartphone high in the air and hope to have some reception.
 You need to know if anyone from your city is still alive.
 Then a 'concerned citizen‘ comes by and abuses you.
 You don’t know why. You don’t understand “Go back to your own country!"
 You understand some things like “smartphone” and “handed everything on a plate.”
 Somebody translates it for you.
 ~~~~~
 And now tell me how you feel and what you own?
 The answer to both parts of that is “Nothing.”


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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2015, 10:28:59 AM »
 :'( :'(
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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2015, 10:35:20 AM »
Smo v začetku vodnarjeve dobe (traja 2000 let), ki označuje enakost, vsi enaki vsi enakopravni, vsi prijatelji, vsi ljudje, vsi eno, ne glede na spol, raso, kakršnokoli pripadnost...
Seveda vodnarjeva doba označuje tudi tehnološki napredek, zanika vse kar je materialno, zemeljsko..
Upam, da bomo ljudje znali vzeti pozitivno plat vodnarja in ne bomo tirani z rigidnimi pristopi, da ne bomo vse odrezali, kar nam ni všeč, ampak bomo znali biti ljudski, VSI ENAKI, VSI ENAKOPRAVNI-to je tisto kamor upam se naša človeška rasa obrne :-*
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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2015, 10:38:37 AM »
 :'(

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Re: Begunska kriza
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2015, 11:15:28 AM »
jaz sem se tolk zjokala, ker človek je to resnično doživel. Res si ne predstavljam sebe v tistem čolnu in izgubiti otroka na tak način. Ma daj no.
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